Let's Get Dark: A Paranormal & Crime Podcast

71 - The Franklin Pedophile Cover-Up: No really, burn it all to the ground.

August 14, 2020 Creep It Real Season 3 Episode 71
Let's Get Dark: A Paranormal & Crime Podcast
71 - The Franklin Pedophile Cover-Up: No really, burn it all to the ground.
Show Notes Transcript

In the first of our CiR Resurrected!! episodes, we revisit the Franklin coverup that had an epicenter in Omaha, Nebraska but in reality, spanned all over the country. Prominent figures and trusted institutions were involved, and the stink of a coverup emerged every step along the way in any investigation that was conducted. We discuss the depraved pieces of garbage that took part in this coverup, the children who were brave enough to come forward with the stories of their abuse, and the few individuals who fought to expose the truth. In light of the Epstein situation, we thought we should resurrect the story of Franklin and the people it affected, to show that really, this stuff has been going on for a very long time. Join us as we tell you the story of the Franklin sex & drug trafficking ring...no really, burn it all to the fucking ground.


Our sources for this episode include:
The Franklin Cover-up: Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska by John DeCamp
https://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Cover-up-Satanism-Murder-Nebraska/dp/0963215809

The Franklin Scandal: A Story of Powerbrokers, Child Abuse & Betrayal by Nick Bryant
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0977795357/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_RxSnFb083E1D5

An Interview with Nick Bryant: Part I – The Franklin Scandal
Edited by Kate McMaugh, MHSc and Warwick Middleton, MD
https://news.isst-d.org/an-interview-with-nick-bryant-part-i-the-franklin-scandal/

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It's a web of intrigue that starts in our holy of holies. Boystown, Nebraska, one of the most respected institutions in the United States and spreads out like a spider web to Washington DC. right up to the steps of the nation's capitol. The steps of the White House involves some of the most respected and powerful and richest businessmen in this United States of America. And the centerpiece of the entire web is the use of children

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for sex, and drug dealing, and drug courier

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to compromising a politician, a compromising a businessman, but Worst of all, the corruption p institutions of government

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that have the duty and responsibility to make sure these things never happen.

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So we'll wing it. We'll do it live

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do it live

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you know there are some people out there that still don't know what that references still don't. But you know what?

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Okay, so paranormal caught on tape has taken a dive. Where's Ben Kissel? Oh? Is he not in? He's not even on it anymore. Yeah, look,

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what is that it's useless now. It's terrible. It's really awful.

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But you know, we all have to live through some tough time.

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Yes. And that is your tough time. Oh yes, that's a tough time.

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Normal cut on tape. If you're out there. What's up?

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Okay. Hey everybody. It's creep it real.

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I'm Ashley. I'm Bianca,

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and you're listening to us on creeper real. Okay.

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So, how are you? I'm good. Oh,

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I got contacts today for the first time in my whole life, so I'm really pumped about it it is a life changing life altering experience. Wow, I'm really excited about them.

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That's about the nerdiest update given me but I will say I I'm excited to just go to make the first steps to get glasses. Yeah. Oh, are you doing Do you have an appointment? No, but I'm going to have one I am making one sometime when I take off those days I'm gonna take off dude, once

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you can see clearly your life has legit gonna change. Have you ever worn glasses? Oh my god, Ashley, I know Ashley and

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like your life is gonna change and for years throughout my life for the past ever at night. I'm like, Whoa, what's going on? Guy? I think I have an idea

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here like that. Looks like that's a green light.

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I don't know I can see the basics like I can see the color but unfortunately instead of it just being a circle, it's an explosion of green. So it's, it's like a firework of everything. So Christopher, you need it you I know, I really do. I'm safe.

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I know you and I should get married so you can come on to my insurance plan. Okay.

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Sounds like a plan.

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Okay. All right. That might be insurance fraud, but that's fine.

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I mean, who gets to determine what constitutes a marriage? Hmm, true.

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That's true.

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Society, I guess society but you know, there's a lot of interesting arrangements out there

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true, edible and otherwise.

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A little over two years ago, creeper real covered Omaha's Franklin credit union cover up. Some people want to call it a hoax. Some people want to call it a scandal. I call it a scandal but it's like the truest scandal that ever lived. It is a scandal. in which a disgusting child sex and drug trafficking ring was exposed, filled with clientele who were prominent figures in cities all over America, who even really knows how far up it goes is what basically everyone involved in the investigation said, this situation was only taken even slightly seriously and uncovered to those that cared, because an investigation into larry king who ran a credit union in Omaha, Nebraska, exposed that he had stolen millions of dollars from the bank.

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So it only counts when there's money. Otherwise, I'm an institution.

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Otherwise it doesn't matter if every high powered man in America is raping children.

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Oh, kind of like, like what's going on? Right now? Like Jeffrey Okay, that's fine.

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very pertinent. So this despite the fact that many different agencies over the years had attempted to expose the child abuse going on with many of these people. It was ignored by essentially every single law enforcement agency it was brought to, but why could ever that be? I think we have some idea. Those episodes have become some of our most popular And we periodically get emails or messages about the case with people inevitably wondering if it could possibly be true. Which I mean, if you listen, I think you have to know.

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We think it is true.

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I have no doubt in my mind, if anything, how things have developed in the past few years regarding sex trafficking, and now with Jeffrey Epstein, as Bianca just mentioned, who we know had connections with very, very prominent figures such as Bill Clinton, as if that surprises anyone. But Epstein is a whole grotesque situation unto itself that we will one day I'm sure look into, when there may be possibly some information about it, but get destroyed, right. But for now, it's worth noting that circumstances that have been uncovered with him, such as the way he found young girls to molest and abuse with the aid of quote unquote scouts like galane Maxwell, and other young girls just like how in Franklin they had not only the foster care system that they were working kids through, but the kids themselves would act as scouts for the quote unquote recruits. Which is something that we talked about in our Patreon episode about Johnny Gosh, where Paul benassi, who has been spoken about on this podcast many times, said that he was tasked with scouting out new kids to help collect them for these fucking perverts. So anyway, we always meant to do a part three, obviously, it's two years later. So it's a little bit of a little bit of time has elapsed, and I think it would be good to just redo the whole thing. And we're going to bring this to you as a series that we were going to come around to now and again, keep it real, rather.

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And today, we bring you, Franklin cover up part three, no, really burn it all to the fucking ground.

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Before we get into it, we just wanted to preface our sources. I found a book called the Franklin scandal, a story of power brokers, child abuse and betrayal by Nick Bryant, who started pursuing Jeffrey Epstein in 2012 after writing this book, and we both read Ashley rewrite the Franklin cover up child abuse, Satanism and murder in Nebraska by john de Kamp along with a number of articles that will list in the show notes.

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I will remember promise.

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Sometimes there are forces and events too big, too powerful, with so much at stake for other people or institutions that you cannot do anything about them. No matter how evil or wrong they are, no matter how dedicated or sincere you are, or how much evidence that you have. That is a quote by former CIA director William Colby to john decamp who began the investigation into the Franklin credit union and sex trafficking ring. That's clearly a bleak outlook that's bleak as fuck. Yeah. Unfortunately, that's coming from somebody who knows about the mouse. I think

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associate this CIA director I yeah,

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I'm sure he's got. He's got some knowledge. It really makes you. It really drives home that like this is not something that's new. Nor is it something that is a secret to the elite members of society, I guess because it's been covered up for the people that do it by the other people that are in that that same group. And who knows, actually, like we talked about maybe last episode when I was saying that it's absolutely a phenomenon going on in relation to power and sex abuse of the sex abuse of children. There's something that ties the two together. Almost inexplicably, that intrinsically is what I was thinking. They seem to go together hand in hand. I'm sure there are some powerful people out there that don't rape kids, but it seems like there's way more than two, or there's more than I would ever care to believe. Right, but do unfortunately, Eau de Kamp stated that if the cover up into the sex abuse the sex ring is legitimate, which he fully believed it was that it would include key institutions of government, from courts to police to the highest level politicians, the media and obviously the wealthiest business leader. Who we all are the biggest fans of anyway. The information we're sharing is evidence that has been gathered for or that was gathered for the Nebraska legislature Special Committee of the Franklin case, which found and verified the tracks of criminal activity where law enforcement purported to see absolutely none some fucking hell,

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and I'm already pissed. I know so am I my face is hot. So Nick Brian had mentioned initially that the reason he even started digging into the whole Franklin situation was because his editor that he was working for was looking for some quote very dark stories and about 2002

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I know the feeling.

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He pitched some ideas to his editor about Nazi ism and Satanism and Satanism was the one that stuck. His plan was essentially to get in good with Satanists and try to attend a black mass. And I think we should definitely do a satanic panic type of episode just to kind of go over this kind of stuff. But he did say that say the satanist that he came across were either highly intelligent, or super dumb.

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Hey, I think I might have encountered this myself. And contrary to popular belief, we're not satanic. No, but that's only because not because I think it's so evil but only because it's just as silly as anything.

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Nothing he noticed was that a lot of Satanists were also Republican. It's not an anti republican statement. But Nick did talk about how ironic it was that Satanists and fundies generally share the same political affiliations. It's definitely weird. It's straight. It's I wonder what it is about

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that? I hate to say it I mean this, but it's a it's like a libertarian type of thing. I'm telling you, it really is. I know there's like different sects of libertarian but a lot of most libertarians and I don't know if I'll keep us in or not, but most libertarians are super conservative, and they just are taking on a different name to try to separate themselves from the Republican Party, but it's really the same thing probably worse, with less power

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now was eventually invited to a black mass, which, again like the fundamentalist thing, it takes a note from Roman Catholic mass all in one. But after the person who invited him insisted he partake of the host which contained the priests High Priests semen. Oh, and the High Priestess administration. He politely declined. No, thank you.

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That's something

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acquired taste.

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This led him to troll online for stories about Satanism, and the internet was of course filled with stories of Satanists abducting children, but also stories about the connections between Satanists and the CIA. And eventually he came across a cold called the finders. This cold wasn't rooted in paranoia like many of the conspiracy theories we find today, but rather in a US Customs report written by a special agent Ramon Martinez, and was as follows on February 4 1987, a concerned citizen notified the Tallahassee police department that he had observed six white children, poorly dressed, bruised, dirty, and behaving like wild animals in the park, accompanied by two well dressed white males, who were later identified as Douglas Ammerman and James Michael how well, dirt driving a 1979 Dodge van with Virginia plates. The police responded to the call and took the children and adults into custody. The adults refused to cooperate and one of them produced a business card that stated he planned to exercise his constitutional right to remain silent. So okay, he just carries it around just carries around with him just in case sorry, I just just police notice that the children who were between three and six could not identify themselves or their guardians, and were unaware of the function and purpose of telephones, televisions and toilets. What year was this? Oh, this was in 1987 toilets.

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Oh gosh, you know, I gotta say, it's kind of reminding me of a little bit of the gelijk random walker story where he got sent to a foster home. I know I don't know what's happening here To be honest, but he got sent to a foster home that had no running water or toilets or anything like that in 2016. What is this? What is this? What is this? I guess they treat children like animals. What essentially would like good going on right now? Yeah, okay, sorry. I'm having a realization.

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The children said they were not allowed to live indoors and they were given food only as a reward.

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Dude, I'm sorry, I didn't even read that's totally

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fine. Okay. While in custody over 500 calls came in from mothers that were looking for their children because this came out in the newspaper like a doctor examined the children and determined to have the six of them to have physical indicators of sexual abuse. The doctor also found bite marks although he could not determine if the bite was from a child or an adult. And a behavioral scientist indicated that the children behaved similarly to those who had been institutionalized for a prolonged period. Oh, when the children were placed into protective custody, a series of disturbing violent phone calls were made to the child protective agency threatening bombing and other violence. So the police charged the two adults with felony child abuse and then were held on $100,000 bond and the children were placed in protective custody. Police found documents in the van that allowed them to ID the adults and sort of ID the children and they also found documents containing two washington dc addresses.

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Washington DC man,

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the police now suspected child pornography and contacted the US Customs Service, which has a child porn and Protection Unit, which is so sad that there is a child pornography and protection unit that is a part of our government. Yeah. Detective James Bradley of the Washington DC Metro Police Department contacted Special Agent Ramon Martinez of the US CES and indicated that the arrests in Tallahassee were probably linked to a case he was investigating in the DC area involving the finders, who operated various businesses out of a warehouse in DC and has children at a second warehouse. What

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is this the fucking US government in 2020.

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The information was specific in describing blood rituals and sexual origins involving children. The arrests were what Bradley needed for warrants to be executed in order to search the two warehouses, and in February, they did this search. In the first warehouse they found jars of feces and urine and a room with several computers and a cache of documents. Martinez wrote a cursory examination of the documents revealed detailed instructions for obtaining children for unspecified purposes. The instructions were included the impregnation of female members of the finders, purchasing children trading and kidnapping. There were telex messages. Using MCI account numbers between a computer terminal believed to be located in the same room and others located across the country in foreign locations. One telex specifically ordered the purchase of two children in Hong Kong to be arranged through the contact in the contact in the Chinese embassy. Great. So we're doing this internationally and

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through the embassy no doubt no less. Yeah.

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The investigators also discovered documents that discussed bank secrecy, high tech transfers, terrorism and explosives. They even found a detailed summary of the events surrounding the areas the previous night with instructions that advise participants to move the children through different police jurisdictions and instructions on how to avoid police detection. In addition to the urine, feces and creepy computer shit. Martinez also found a large collection of photographs of new children, one which appeared to be a child on display in a way that accented the child's genitals.

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I seriously want to murder everyone.

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Then an officer presented Martinez with a photo album that contained photos of adults and children dressed in white sheets slaughtering two goats that portrayed the slaughter disembowelment, skinning and dismemberment of the goats by the children. Additionally, the photos show the removal of the male goats, testes and removal of baby goats from inside the female goats womb. And the presentation of a goat's head to one of the children Fuck

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my

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life. There were Intel files on families not related to the finders, and they seem to have had a systematic response to local newspaper ads for babysitter's tutors, etc. and a member of the finders would respond and gather as much information as possible about the habits, identity, occupation, etc, of the family. Additionally, there was a large amount of data collected on Child Care Organizations. About a month after the warrant was executed. Martinez set an appointment with detective Bradley but when he arrive to their appointment. Bradley was unavailable and he had to speak to a third party, who was willing to discuss the finder's situation off the record. Why off the

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record?

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Right. Third Party let him know that this had now become an internal CIA matter. And the report was classified as secret and unavailable for review. We have

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we have CIA members that are dettling children. Yep. So this is great. So that's why we can't let you look at this stuff.

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The FBI had been withdrawn several weeks prior and counterintelligence had directed MPD which was the washington dc municipal police department, not to advise, advise the FBI field office about anything. Additionally, the finders were being investigated for the transportation of children across state lines for immoral purposes or kidnapping. And weirdly, after the CIA after the CIA intervention, Chief Turner in a press conference backpedaled the claims that they had made regarding the satanic rituals or child abuse. He called the finders a communal group, and he didn't mention that they also had an interest in purchasing children trading and kidnapping them and definitely omitted the jars of feces and urine they found in the warehouses. After the press conference, the FBI said that their investigation of the finders was winding down because the bureau had not particularly uncovered any evidence of federal violations. Okay, the finders specifically the biological mothers of the children found in Florida, who traveled to speak with investigators gave an explanation that apparently satisfied law enforcement. According to police reports, the mother said that in late December, the men in the group took the children to Kentucky, where they would work a construction job while the women went to California for temporary work. When the men arrived for the project. However, they found that it was at a standstill and instead told the woman that they would take the children on an adventure to Florida. According to the documents, the mothers understood why police would be asking questions and agree That the men had handled the situation poorly by lying about Mexico, but they also insisted they had nothing to hide. So but why lie? They denied being Satanists and explained the photo of the slaughter to go saying that it was similar to a vile biology class. And that was part of the lesson for the children on where meat comes from. Oh my word. I doubt that they insisted that the children were all well fed and they completely disbelieved any allegations that the men with their children could have committed sexual abuse.

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Wait a second so the children were supposedly going to work this construction job they were going with the men to

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going going with them own adventure, okay. And there was like a there was a report on these children and one of them had eaten like eight bananas and two apples while he was being detained and like, Yeah, super well fun. The adults with those kids had their felony abuse charges reduced to misdemeanors, and six weeks later, they were dropped all together and the children were affected. returned to them. About seven years later they You see, US CES report was leaked to the media. And in December of 1993, an article discussed the efforts of Democratic Representative Charlie Rose and Republican Tom Lewis, to expose the government's ties to the finders. Lewis asked in the article, could our own government have had something to do with the finders organization and turn their backs on these children? Yes, that's what all the evidence points to. And there's a lot of evidence, I can tell you this. We've got a lot of people scrambling and that wouldn't be happening if there was nothing here truth. And then in search of an answer to the question, why would two men in their 20s take kids to Florida to explore and in the age of conspiracy theories about high profile government figures involved in sexual abuse? wayfair Pizza gate adrenochrome list goes on. The finders laid out the foundation for the plethora of questions the general public had and has regarding what in the absolute fuck was us Intelligence covering up regarding sexual abuse in the 80s. And what in the fuck are they covering up today?

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Yeah, it's pretty glaring. You know,

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it's very glaringly obvious that something is being covered up and I don't mean to put on a tinfoil hat.

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But it's you can't even get my opinion. You can't even pretend like this is something that is a conspiracy anymore. No, because look what's going on with Jeff Epstein and Glenn Maxwell. It's like

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a, it's like a running joke. Glenn's gonna have COVID and die, right? She's gonna commit suicide or be suicide. You know, it's like a running joke. I mean, in

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in for fuck sake, just listen to this episode and everything that goes on with the Franklin investigation and you cannot deny that something was going on here. There's corruption in every single level. It is so frustrating. So we're going to talk about some more ways that these rings were going on how they were able to work in society without people knowing about it. And it definitely happens and we're in here. It's like anything like this, you have to see the things that in every circumstance are kind of similar. The way that these rings and these these sex trafficking works is there's there's similar characteristics to all of them and it's kind of like everything else in the world. It's like nothing fucking changes.

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The cycle completely repeats. Mm hmm. I was watching the Jeff Epstein docu series today. Yeah. And it's the same fucking cycle. As it was for Franklin. He had people working for him scouting kids to, you know, Miss, okay, Jeff Epstein, massage him, Larry King to provide at parties. Like it's the same thing with the same kind of people doing the same.

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Well, that's because that's because it's never stopped happening. And it never it always was happening. And you know, we'll see well, as we hear well, we'll hear it. So. Okay, let's go back to June 10 1985 when Washington County Nebraska Sheriff's Department contacted the Nebraska Department of Social Services. Social Worker regarding the MacArthur children who were living in foster care with Jarrett and Barbara Webb. They said that they had the children in custody due to an abuse complaint and the children had been saying that they were beat with a railroad iron and belt, and that the abuse had been happening for a while, but because they were afraid to report it, they just stayed in the home. Jared Webb had worked for 10 years at the Omaha public power district and was a board member of the Franklin community Federal Credit Union. Barbara Webb, his wife was larry king's cousin. And we'll get into Larry King here in a bit. But larry king is pretty much the central figure of this Franklin credit union story. By far by no means is he the only big No, no, the web's foster child, Sean McArthur and adopted son Joey Patterson are removed from the web's custody that month other foster and adoptive children of the web's there were up to nine in their home at one time, had tried to make their break all alone or in pairs on multiple occasions. These kids were trying to run away from the house, which says something I was. In August Joey sister Kimberly Patterson Webb, who was 14 and her brother Michael ran away, but they were returned to the web by the police perfect. In November, Nellie Patterson Webb, who was 16 fled the home to her grandmother's named Ruby. And DSS reported on December 18 1985, that their office interviewed Nellie and Kimberly both separately and together. Both girls stated numerous times that they had refused to go back to the web's Instagram, they had stated that they had received whippings and beatings from both Barbara and Jarrett at different times, starting in 1978, approximately eight months after moving into their home. Those beatings included implements such as extension cords, belts, rubber hoses and a narrow piece of black rubber that was two feet long and had several holes at each end. That's serious. I will say I know there gonna be people out there like I got beat with a belt and I didn't do well, but I don't necessarily think that was okay. I don't think you should probably be using an implement on your child, you know they have multiple implements are using to meet these kids. The girls were made to remove all of their clothing before they were hit mainly on their back or their butt but occasionally on their head and face. Nellie was removed from the home and placed in foster care. She was interviewed at the Washington County Sheriff's Office by state patrol investigator Jane Tooley who found that the abuse was not limited to beatings. If you're surprised or shocked, I think you should wake up. Nelly stated that she had been sexually abused or she was starting around the age of nine or 10 when Gerrit Webb kissed her, her foster father kissed her for a long time and she pulled away because she couldn't breathe and it was nasty. Of course it was nasty Jesus. She said that he was French kissing her in slobbering in her mouth at the age of nine and he is a fucking foster father.

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On one occasion, Jerry made her take a nap with him and he played with what she said was all of her body parts, touched her vagina and put a finger inside of her when she was 10 or 11. At night when everyone would go to bed. He called her into his room a couple times, and when she wouldn't come, he threatened to whip her. He pulled the sheet down and put her on top of him, and she stated that she could feel he didn't have any underwear on. This is a grown man with a 10 year old girl. At 15. Jarrett punished her by making her undress and lay on the bed and he beat her with a rubber strap. And then he began to sexually abuse her and beat her at the same time. And when she began to cry, he left the room. So these are all stories that she's relaying to the police about why she can't go back why she can't go back what has been happening to her she's giving ages when this has happened. She's giving details. So in February of 1986, DSS requested an immediate and emergency removal of Kendra and Michael Webb, it listed eight separate concerns in this leader to other foster children of the webs the concerns that they listed among them or repeated allegations of physical abuse, told to DSS by six separate children during September interviews to being struck for long periods of time all naked. The next was denial of meals in the home for was sexual abuse. And then the last one was the intense concern for the physical and emotional well being of the children remaining in the home. Obviously, DSS memo show that the web's aggressively sought to terminate their status as adoptive parents of Nellie and Kimberly immediately after nearly Railway Race I under DSS rules, this termination of their status of dogs as adoptive parents would cut short the investigation into the mistreatment of the girls somehow I don't

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know how probably because I don't know because not well, it doesn't matter. Now you not the adoptive parents anymore or something like that.

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While relinquishment of adoptive child It is extremely rare. The DSS began negotiations with the web to do so. They're returning conducting negotiations on their behalf was Gary Randall, whose brother Casey, Kimberly and Nellie would have described as larry king's maid whenever they're talking to the police, about their abuse. So they because we will get into it but the webs or abuse by Larry King, obviously, this was a whole ring in this web family, which is one little part of it. And the attorney conducting the guest negotiations on the children's behalf was an abuser. Like it's, it's so sickening, because every time you turn in this case, someone else involved in abuse as an abuser,

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it is sick. God it's like, it's so disheartening.

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It really is. Well in think think about how it would feel to be one of the kids Well,

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no, that's what I'm saying. Like, think about what it would be to be one of the kids are one of the victims or, you know, where do you like? How do you have any hope

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you don't because you're every, every at every turn, you have an adult that's ready to take advantage of you.

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That's the worst place. Oh my god.

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I mean, it really is awful. And we'll talk about it later. But that is part of the whole abuse is that they are creating people who they are going to be able to discredit so easily. And they can completely take away any legitimacy that they might have with the public. Yeah. And it's awful. the web's had additional help in the relinquishment of their two adopted daughters by a man named Patrick Tripp, the very official who would have handled a criminal prosecution of the web's had there been one, which again, conflict of interest, of course, everywhere. In June of 1986, in the face of a pattern of the gross abuse of children, the state suspended the web's foster care license, thank goodness but he decided Patrick Webb decided not to file sexual abuse charges or any other charge waves because yeah dude let's just get him let him get out of here clean No Don't ruin their life oh

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my god Let me tell you something right now I want to say this right now if you are being abused fucking file file charges yeah if you're being abused sexually if you're a minor and being abused sexually fucking file charges don't don't just let this go because as we'll see unfortunately this doesn't end in a victorious no verdict no however if some of the people that are involved in this story did tell the truth or press charges it might have

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well they tried some of them really did some of them really did try

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yes but some of them did deny that did try and then retracted because they were scared yeah and died anyways. Right? I'm just saying always follow the charge

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instead of investigating her reports of the website involvement in pornography and child prostitution trip the person who was supposed to be representing her, called her a liar. Trips attitude was recorded by Julie Walters, a youth care worker worker called on to interview Nellie and Kimberly in March of 1986, because they had described the abuse of boys residing at Boys Town, which we'll get into later, the large orphanage west of Omaha, where Walters was employed. In her 50 page report on the child abuse described to her by the girls trip figures heavily as an adversary of the children when he is supposed to be representing them. I would be furious course an attorney who was an adversary Okay, so she said when presented with Jane to Lee's investigation, Pat trip the Washington County prosecutor said he didn't believe Nellie and wanted wanted her to take a polygraph.

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Their own attorney is like no, I don't believe you

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exactly what is it that makes you not want to believe a foster child who's claiming that she's being sexually abused? by her foster family and corroborated with the other children in the home,

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I don't understand why this would be in my attorney. Why any longer.

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Why would you have why would you not believe her if you're either a sexist piece of shit? Or because you have ties to this cracking? Sex ring, right? He's a garbage. At his request, Nellie was given four polygraph tests administered I know like really administered by state troopers at the State Patrol office because she had the audacity to claim that she was sexually abused by her foster father. The state trooper after Emily's testing completed told Kathleen Sorenson that he tried to break Nelly down a bit Oh my god, he was convinced she was telling the truth. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay, so you wanted to Okay, I see. Okay, okay. Yeah. All right. But so although the polygraph test show Nellie was not being deceptive. Attorney Pat Tripp maintain he still did not believe what she had said. He said nearly fantasize those stores is the point that she believed that they were true? Why would a child

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fantasize that

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how would you be able to know that how do you know that? You don't you don't you're just saying

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there's no evidence to say that either. There was she was that something that was like was that or was that a character flaw of hers that she used to do that like there you have no evidence in order to say that so as an attorney, are you allowed to do that? You can't okay,

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but I don't think she really had a lot of say so. So you know, it's what happens whenever you don't have the money or wherever mall whatever, to be able to hire your own attorney who's actually working for you and not being hired by the people abusing you to wash your whole situation, right? So Tripps line was that child victims in Nebraska just invent abuses, and therefore their complaints need to not be taken seriously. They don't need to be investigated, or it would be repeated by one law enforcement agency after another. It's the same bullshit that they say Through the whole Franklin case down to the perjury conviction of Alicia on Alicia Alicia o on which we'll talk about later. It's just sick. Patrick was a quote unquote good friend of two individuals that were named by Nellie and Kimberly as evolved involved with the web's shocking Oh my god.

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Oh, no. Well, I mean, that that just doesn't make the mean. Okay, so now that makes sense. Fort

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Calhoun, superintendent of schools do word fench. Who will tell you what kind of school Yes, well, we'll talk about many times, because not only Nellie named him and not only Kimberly named him, but other children did as well. And then there was fort Calhoun high school principal, Kent Miller. And this information comes directly from the Franklin committee investigation, which was not a bunch of just a conspiracy theorist hanging around in a basement. It was it was actual legislature. It was, it was senators it was, you know, congressmen it wasn't when the webs were away. The kids would Snoop through the house and what they Found and presented were pornographic videotapes in a bag under the bed under the web's bed. One specifically showed teenagers involved in sexual activity. Nellie and Kimberly new larry king had provided them with the tapes from eavesdropping pornographic magazines in the basement. And once Shawn was suspected of snooping in the magazines, he was not allowed to eat for a week. Oh my god. So they left these things not very well hidden. And then if the kids that happen to see them, they got punished in a way that they wouldn't eat for a week or whatever other things they would do. There was also a box of quote unquote romantic novels and misters Webb's closet, and it was about mothers having sex with their sons.

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Best incest books. Oh, perfect.

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And then there were stacks of eight by 10 photo envelopes marked Do not bend and I, just from what I've read, it seems like those photos were probably like headshots that were given out to pedophiles. We'll hear about that. The report also conveys the web's pricey lifestyle and involvement of more people, including none other than larry king. Although at a hearing in March of 86, Mr. Webb stated that he earned $32,000 a year. The Web's home was furnished lavishly, and Mrs. Webb had a four carat diamond ring, and all custom made dresses. And when the webs threw a party they included caterers and limos, and I'm not trying to I don't make much i don't know if i make more than that. But I know for sure I don't have the money to cater parties with limo haters and custom made dresses, custom made dresses. I'm lucky to go somewhere that isn't target. Larry King had parties every other week, and he would request that one of the web's kids attend they had no choice in the matter if you were in the web home, you had to go. The web children said that they had they talk to boys at the parties who were from Boys Town and after examining your From a few years prior, Kimberly Kimberly Kimberly said four of the boys attended some of Larry's parties during the summer of 84 and 85. One of them was Paul benassi, who she actually identified in the year. It's just and then and oh my god, it just infuriates me. It infuriates me, I feel so I feel so deeply for Paul benassi. Do I know, I know, God, I know. It's really it. He's a prime example of the way that an abuser will discredit somebody just to the point where they have no, they have no charge. They can't even make allegations against you anymore.

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So I've been so discredited. Yeah.

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It's disgusting. So at the parties, they said that there were 30 to 40 adults that would be present there was both men and women. And the attendees were more white than black because because Larry said, quote, Larry King who is

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black black man,

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he said blacks get ignorant when they drink and tighter with their money. White spend more money when they're drunk. And when he's talking about spending money let's not forget that he's talking about on children to have sex, right? Not fuckin, you know, alcohol and televisions triggers of age. Also present at these parties were some prostitutes and kids aged 16 to 20 to about 20 total. If a man was interested in a young lady, he held out a folded 50 or $100 bill, and he would whisper something in their ear and then they would go upstairs or some other room in the house. So knowing Kimberly said that these victims who they referred to as prostitutes, told them they gave half of their money to Larry King, so they go and blow some old dude for 50 bucks. And they have to give 25 of that to Larry King.

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What an asshole.

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Oh, yes, obviously. Well, yeah,

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cleric. Clearly, I'm just like, God Fuck you. Right You don't have to like

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you don't have to be victimized in any capacity. No, fuck off. So Larry would also Give some of these children gifts. The boys had said on multiple occasions that they would give them new cars, they would almost probably be like wait, he's really treating us right away treating us nice. He's they said sexual activity was not always going on behind closed, closed doors and sometimes would involve more than two people and be out in the open. Larry claimed to donate money to Boys Town and be in he was on the board of directors at the girls club. He would get boys to his home by asking them to do yard work. And if he asked them to do something and they refused, he might hit them and tell them that they would get hurt if they didn't do what he said. I'm sure I was kind of grooming them for some other activity. Nellie said that Larry had a really bad temper and I don't know. I'm not surprised in the least. Nelly accompanied Mr. And Mrs. King and their son Prince to Washington DC, Chicago and New York, beginning at the age of 15. She missed 21 days of school entirely under the pretense that she was accompanying her aunt and uncle to be printed. babysitter when really she was going out to well, as we'll see on those trips. Now, he said that she saw at the time, vice president george bush, senior and saw him again at one of Larry's parties. And it's not necessarily we're not necessarily saying that george bush was raping kids, but he was mentioned in the Bohemian Grove is mentioned a lot in a lot

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